Monday, 2 June 2008

The Ego

I've been listening to mass Tool lately, and some of the songs (Parabola, Third Eye, Lateralus) have been about, or made reference to, ditching the ego and basically reaching a birds' eye view. It sounds pretty stoner-ish, but I think it's an interesting idea.

Just to clarify, I'm talking about ego as in pride, not ego as in the Freudian ego.

I'm just gonna type some crap out and see where it goes.

Maynard (the lead singer and lyricist of Tool) said (when asked about what end getting rid of the ego would achieve):
"If you look at the cycles of the moon, it starts as a thin crescent and then gradually waxes until it becomes full; then it gradually wanes back into another crescent and then it is gone. The moon reflects sunlight like humans reflect information. We wax and wane and when we become full moons, our egos are full. We think we have this knowledge when in fact, the information we have is pure. And how it reflects or shines off of us, is something we take credit for as though the moon could take credit for its brightness when, in fact, it is only reflecting light from the sun. We have to understand that we are ego-less just as the moon is without light. It and we are simply reflectors. The ego is not responsible for the information. It can reflect the information in creative ways, but the information itself is pure".

I agree with him somewhat, in that letting information we gain from others inflate our egos is stupid, but I don't think ditching our egos is a good thing, if it's even possible.

To start with, humans are, by nature, selfish. Everything we do is done for selfish reasons. Giving someone something is done to make them like you more, though it's often disguised as wanting them to be happy or something. Denying that you gave someone something to make them like you more is done so that they think you're modest and generous, thus they like you more.
I would like to think that humans were capable of selfless acts, but every situation I think of is, at the most basic level, created for ourselves. Some people might say this is a pretty callous way of looking at it, but I would say it's just a realistic way of looking at it. I would love for someone to prove me wrong though?

Basically, if selflessness is an impossibility (unless someone can prove otherwise), destroying the ego is also an impossibility because every successful act (ie an act where you achieve what you want, or something better/just as good) is selfish, so it automatically pumps your ego, whether you show it or not. In other words, the ego is also a part of human nature.

And I just left for like an hour so now I don't know wtf I'm on about. I love how all my blogs end with me going "Wtf am I on about" or something like that. At least all the ranty ones. I really should think of what my point's gonna be before I start. I always start out thinking I have something genius to say, but then I realise halfway through there's so many holes to be poked in it. Oh well. I'm an idiot.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Some people do do selfless things. What about people who would like jump in front of a bus to save someone else? Thats pretty selfless. If they were unhappy with their own life it might not quite be selfless but if they were like incredibly happy then yea.. This isnt making any sense but i do think there are some things that humans can do that are selfless acts.

Anonymous said...

But i do agree that the ego is something that is never going to be fully destroyed. Jesus was selfless but he is the son of god so yeah.. Amoung the general population of humans there will always be ego

Rowan Muir said...

Jumping in front of a bus is still not selfless. When it comes down to it, if I was the person jumping in front of the bus, I would think like this "Yes, I may die, but people will remember me as a hero. If I don't die I might recover and still be called a hero". And if the person in front of the bus was someone you knew and loved then the reason for saving them could be YOU didn't want to see them die. An act to save yourself the grief of seeing them die.

Some acts of selfishness also serve the needs of others, but that doesn't make them less selfish. Even though, in my opinion, we are only selfish, I still believe that it is better to be the selfish person who gives away his lunch or something, rather than the selfish person who steals someone's lunch.
I would probably define "selflessness" as the former, rather than defining it as lacking in selfishness.

In regards to Jesus: There is no doubt that Jesus existed, but he was only selfless if you believe he was the son of God. I don't really believe the biblical accounts of Jesus' life, so there is no reason for me to believe he was selfless.

Rachel said...

hey ro
i think the only way an act can be selfless is if its out of habit or if we dont have the time to think about something as in the bus idea....if i jumped in front of a bus to save someone it would be a split second decision i probably wouldnt of even thought about it...at the time it would just be a reaction therefore there is no thought process and so i couldnt of considered myself...another un selfish act i can think of is the care of babies we are programed by nature to be immediatly affected by the sound of a baby crying. a chemical is released which means our brains set off immediate stress signals and our brain says do something! this is why we feel such a need to stop a baby being unhappy....actually now that i think about it (contradicting myself here) i suppose thats natures way of exploiting man kinds selfishness....its like mother nature just thought "hey im just gunna make you feel uncomfortable untill you look after this baby therefor to help yourself you have to do something good mwahahahahahaha!" .......that bitch
i appologise officially for this comment....im procrastinating from classics

Rowan Muir said...

It is a split second decision, but it's still a decision. Decisions are made at a sub-conscious level a few split seconds before they are made consciously, so in the bus situation it might be a sub conscious act, thus we cannot tell whether it would be selfish or selfless. I would still lean toward selfish, but that's cause I'm biased.